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WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-07 04:11:59


Norman 
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Hello

@Trogatog:
I'm hoping we have a playground up soon!
What do you mean?

@Ikalgo:
After these defensive moves have been made, my bot would consider the value of placing a troop for attacking purposes
Attack first should be better if you aren't defending a valuable spot. Else you will always lose to a halfway decent player no matter how much you optimize your algorithms. Just imagine a game without bonuses (just base income) and where all territories are randomly assigned to either you or the opponent. Then you want to form big stacks and try to kill more opponent armies than you lose each turn. This is also the reason that SupremeDalek adds that annoying +5 instead of evenly spreading out his armies. Given that all spots are relatively unimportant then in my oppinion you should only defend a spot if you don't need the armies for an attack and the opponent will lose more armies than you when you defend there.

Edit: That defending two spots isn't a good strategy can also be shown by following example. Let's say you border the opponent in Australia + South America. Then you add randomly 2 to one spot and 3 to the other spot while the opponent attacks randomly one of those spots full force with 6 armies. No matter if the opponent hits the right spot he will always kill on average more armies than you.


Edit 2: Thinking a bit about it I see following possible opening strategies:
Here are the opening strategies and which one they counter. Say you border the opponent in South America and Australia:
- Strategy 1: Place 2 on spot A and 3 on spot B. (A and B random)
- Strategy 2: Place all on spot A and attack --> Always wins against strategy 1.
- Strategy 3: Place all on spot A and don't attack --> Is always stronger than strategy 1 since you have the initiative after first turn. Also is better than strategy 2. If the opponent attacks the wrong spot he loses more armies and if he attacks the right spot you can easily crush him second turn.
- Strategy 4: Place 2 armies on spot A and 3 on spot B. Attack with the 2 spot (not with the 3 spot). This strategy loses against Strategy 1. However it kind of counters especially strategy 3 since if you guess right you will probably have enough to defend next turn.

As you see the strategy 1 that you are performing is only strong against a strategy that nobody ever tried out.

Edited 2014-06-07 05:59:33
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-07 22:01:37


125ch209 
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Blender versus TheeYo
Match Winner Rounds Score
1 TheeYo 50 0-1 Review match
2 Blender 33 1-1 Review match
3 TheeYo 32 1-2 Review match
4 TheeYo 33 1-3 Review match
5 Blender 26 2-3 Review match
6 TheeYo 21 2-4 Review match
7 Blender 35 3-4 Review match
8 Blender 59 4-4 Review match
9 Blender 33 5-4 Review match
10 Blender 23 6-4 Review match
Winner: Blender

Blender versus Gadzbot
Match Winner Rounds Score
1 Blender 32 1-0 Review match Show output
2 Blender 21 2-0 Review match Show output
3 Gadzbot 33 2-1 Review match Show output
4 Gadzbot 37 2-2 Review match Show output
5 Blender 32 3-2 Review match Show output
6 Blender 80 4-2 Review match Show output
7 Blender 22 5-2 Review match Show output
Winner: Blender

TheeYo versus Gadzbot
Match Winner Rounds Score
1 Gadzbot 30 0-1 Review match Show output
2 Gadzbot 32 0-2 Review match Show output
3 Gadzbot 66 0-3 Review match Show output
4 Gadzbot 40 0-4 Review match Show output
5 Gadzbot 34 0-5 Review match Show output
Winner: Gadzbot


whouhou!! i'm shocked but these results, i was expecting to lose against TheeYo and maybe have a shot against Blender
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-07 22:03:39


The National Socialist
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Noobs
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-07 22:15:24

Ikalgo
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Going to the finals this was indeed way unexpected for me as well Gadzbot! Grats though, and it seems we will play against each other again immediately. I really feared you given that our record was 10-5 in the qualifications. Now all taken together, you still have favorable odds with 12:10, so I'm still hoping that the qualifications were just extremely unlucky for me ;)

Edited 2014-06-07 22:16:01
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-07 22:20:00


125ch209 
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congratz to you :) i had terrible record against TheeYo... and yet i won 5-0, and remember the finals are best of 5, not best of 9 like semi finals, so really anyone can take #1
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-07 23:23:46


Norman 
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and remember the finals are best of 5, not best of 9 like semi finals, so really anyone can take #1

For sure not Damian_Warlight and Muli. The other bots should have a realistic chance while some need a lucky punch. I watched some of Gadzbot games against TheeYo and Gadzbot had some very strong moves which I thought I had only seen by GreenTea so far.
http://theaigames.com/competitions/warlight-ai-challenge/games/538c7b394b5ab23cee6dbd77
The deployment in Australia and suprise attack there is strong.

The strongest pairup in the competition so far should happen in the next game where pedrito faces AdsRiskbot. As far as I checked both bots are playing the game and not just hardcoded sit the opponent out in North Africa. That should promise interesting games.
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 11:06:54


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If I remember correctly Pedrito is the only one with a positive record against AdsRiskbot, unlucky for AdsBot perhaps but I can't say I'm disappointed. Of course I want a Warlight player to win.
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 11:37:44

GreenTea 
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13/6 in favour of AdsRiskbot in qualifications vs pedrito.

Edited 2014-06-08 11:38:01
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 11:50:15


125ch209 
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I have a positive record of 16-7 against adsriskbot... Too bad i won't play him :)
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 11:57:41


Green 
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Maybe I was thinking of Gadzbot then.
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 18:12:40

jim
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It's on!! Finals have started! Aaaand the crowd is going nuts *cheer*
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 18:25:49


125ch209 
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gogogo!!
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 19:02:45

Ikalgo
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Good luck Gadzbot! Wow, pedrito was not playing his best for sure :/
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 19:06:25


125ch209 
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go gadzbot!!

Edited 2014-06-08 19:06:44
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 19:06:57


125ch209 
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thx, good luck to blender too ^^
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 19:33:38


125ch209 
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sooo sick game 2
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 19:36:10

Ikalgo
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man yea... I was so nervous....... phewww he did it... that could have went in many ways, a round 100 win omg! I honestly think that was the most suspenseful game so far in these (semi)finals...

Edited 2014-06-08 19:40:12
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 19:36:11


125ch209 
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gg blender
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 19:37:10

Ikalgo
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good game, Gadzbot!
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-08 19:50:59


Norman 
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The dalek army fighting first match against Blender have failed. They were unworthy. That 1 single army in Africa prevented them from recognising a stalemate.

Edit: Second game Dalek army lost by bad luck. They fought till elimination as proud Daleks.

Edit2: The Daleks will execute their leaders and regroup in the shadows. Defeat is only a temporary state on the path to victory.

Edited 2014-06-08 20:01:55
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